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♪ ♪ good morning. i'm kristen fisher. >> i'm jim sciutto. joe biden is meet virtually with g7 leaders and the ukrainian president as the world marks one year since russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine. the u.s. has pledged another $2 billion in aid to the country and announced new sanctions against russians, and the people who help them around the world, particularly procuring weapons for that invasion. defense secretary lloyd austin vows the u.s. will stand by ukraine, using a phrase we have heard frequently of late, "for as long as it takes." >> as long as ukraine continues to conduct operations and continues to work to take back its sovereign territory, we will be there with them. you can expect that the international community will be with ukraine once the fighting stops.

>> and just look at how the front lines of this war have evolved over the course of the past year. in that time, more than 8,000 ukrainian civilians have been killed, entire communities have been decimated, leaving 5 million people displaced in their own country. another 13 million refugees scattered around the globe. and still russia occupies only 11% of ukraine's land. this morning, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy speaking directly to his troops, confident that they will be able to get all of that territory back. >> translator: it is you who decide whether we are all going to exist, whether ukraine is going to exist. every day, every hour, it is you, ukrainian soldiers, who decide it. >> we have our reporters on the ground following the very latest on this historic day.

clarissa ward joins us from ukraine and kylie atwood live at the united nations. >> first to clarissa ward in the capital kyiv. we just showed a map there that showed how russian forces have been pushed back from many areas, including from around the capital where in the early days the predictions were it would fall. it didn't. and here we are a year later. do ukrainians see any light at the end of the tunnel when you speak to them? >> reporter: it's interesting, jim. when you talk to ukrainians, they tend to take an approach that they believe victory will come, but they do not fixate on any one specific day or pin too much hopes on achieving that objective in the near-term future. because i think there is kind of a clear-eyed understanding increasingly that the fighting in the eastern part of the country has really devolved into a sort of grinding stalemate with a very high rate of attrition on both sides. many ukrainian casualties,

though the russian casualties are even higher. and that's why you're hearing the leadership saying again and again, jim, that in order to really finish this off and to do it in a timely manner, they need heavier weaponry. they need long-range artillery. they need f-16 fighter jets. no indication that they are going to get those things from the u.s. certainly, although the uk has said it would start training their troops on uk fighter jets. i spoke to a senior ukrainian official who said that this was a message they had pressed upon joe biden again when he visited, and he said america understands. it is now in their hands. >> and clarissa, you have this incredible special out tonight, looking at how the ukrainian people who have really defied so many odds over the last year. what was it like speaking with these ukrainians ahead of

today's anniversary? >> reporter: i think it's just an extraordinary thing that ukraine has come this far, and they have done it through a number of different means. obviously, courage is a big part of the puzzle. resilience is a big part of the puzzle. cutting edge technology is a hugely crucial part of the puzzle. and ordinary people who have put their lives on hold and devoted themselves to the cause. ordinary people like one who used to be a whale scientist, living in moscow, renowned in her field. and now she spends all her days on the frontlines and working with communities who are living in these liberated areas where it's very difficult to get food, to get resources, to get heat, to get power. take a look. it is here in this village that we meet this volunteer.

a kharkiv native who lived and worked in moscow since the '90s. in her previous life, she was a renowned whale scientist. but since february 24th, she's dedicated 24/7 to helping the people of ukraine to survive and to defeat the russians. >> i arrived in the morning on the 23rd. just take a look at what they did to us. i want you to see. see how my town looks now. >> did you have any conversations in the early days of the war with any of your russian friends? i mean, you lived in moscow for many years. i'm sure you had lots of russian friends. >> plenty. what is were they saying?

>> they were scared. they were desperate. one of them said the tears of blood are running down his face, and neither their grandchildren would be able to wash out this dirt and this blood from their faces. they tell me maybe you take your mom and move to moscow. it's safer now. i just tell them, do you think your grandmother would go to berlin during the second world war? do you? moscow is the fascist berlin to us now. >> reporter: she lives in the northeastern city of kharkiv. it's really just less than 30 miles away from russia. it has a long, deeply complicated, but certainly deep relationship with russia. so you see, by spending time with these different ukrainians from different walks of life how

complex all of this is, how their lives have been impacted, changed forever. and honestly, at this stage, with no end in sight. >> yeah. clarissa ward, thank you so much. that special airing at 8:00 eastern on sunday. thank you for your reporting on this conflict throughout the past year. and as i said, that's going to be at 8:00 p.m. eastern on sunday, "the will to win: ukraine at war," a cnn special report. kylie, new u.s. sanctions on russia today. is there something particularly different or impactful about these new sanctions? >> reporter: well, listen, what the treasury department is saying these are some of the most significant sanctions we have seen today. a few things we should note. first of all, the united states is taking a lot of this action alongside g7 allies. so they're not just cutting off these entities, these companies, these individuals from the u.s. banking system, but also from all of the countries that are

part of the g7. this is a widespread effort from the u.s. government. treasury is involved, the state department is involved, the commerce department is involved. the state department is rolling out 200 plus new sanctions on individuals and entities for supporting russia's war in ukraine, going after proxy groups in ukraine. the commerce department is going after exports, s that are going russia that. is critical. they are targeting more than 90 companies across the world, including chinese companies, thatnabling russia to evade sanctions in place that. is critical here. another thing they're doing is going after russia's mining sector, the min caleral sector are enabling russia to prop up its economy while it continues to wage this war. we're also seeing from the biden administration today $2 billion in additional weaponry to

ukraine. we have heard the biden administration talk about the fact that this additional support was coming. it includes ammunition, artillery, drones. and just last night, on the cnn town hall, we heard from a ukrainian soldier on the frontlines, asking national security adviser jake sullivan for more ammunition. so that is one of the exact things that the united states is giving them more of today. but what this list does not include is more advanced weapons that the ukrainians have been continually asking for. guys? >> always a new weapons system they're asking for. thank you very much. we're joined by former army captain matt gallagher. he spent weeks training civilians in combat basics in ukraine. >> matt, a writer for "esquire" who wrote a piece on freedom fighters who dropped everything, risking their lives to defend ukraine. matt, you have your own military

service in your background. what struck me reading your piece is the cost. you describe it as fighting at democracy's edge. and you asked one of the volunteers. he said, not once have i asked myself am i doing the right thing? do you find that commitment to the cause is still there after one year of a bloody war? is it fading at all or has it held fast? >> good morning. thanks for having me. jim, i think it's held fast. i was really struck by the resolve, both of the local ukrainian volunteers that we met with and spent time with, whether making gilly suits or rolling homemade cigarettes. and the internationals, many of them -- you just quoted william mcanulty who help the frontline soldiers and territorial defense teams. they spoke often of the

difference of resolve in this war. it's an existential fight. if ukraine loses, there is no ukraine. ukraine must win. >> when we met volunteers there, some of them are veterans with fighting experience. we met folks who have not been in combat zones before risking their lives. >> holding a gun for the first time. matt, you were there in the beginning of the war. then you went back to see how things were almost a year in. what changed during that span of time in terms oh of the volunteer and foreign fighters you helped train? >> i think there was an understanding this was going to be a slog, just like clarissa ward mentioned a couple minutes ago. the welders, the bus drivers, the teachers we trained in february and march now were fighting. we spent an evening the last trip in november with a territorial defense team of

drone hunters in the mykolaiv area. these are regular people who are armed with machine guns on pickup trucks waiting for a call to shoot down kamikaze drones that are inbound to protect their homes. these were just regular people one year ago who felt like victims. now they decided to become agents of resistance, agents for their country. and it really -- that resolve permeates every aspect of ukrainian society across social, economic, and cultural divides in a way that is hard for americans who haven't been there maybe to understand. >> are these volunteer fighting units that they bring people from all over the world, many with combat experience, but a lot not with combat experience. are they integrating well -- have they integrated well into

ukrainian defenses, are they a key part of ukraine's defense in >> right. early in the war, there were a lot of bad stories that came out from those kind of early volunteers, you know, because the ukrainian military was just trying to throw everything they had to stop the russian advance. there were a lot of hard lessons learned from those days. speaking to the international legionnaires the most recent trip, one, the ukrainian military has gotten very organized. every international military group is headed up by a ukrainian company commander. so there's integration in their defense. and after a year, people that are there for the right reasons have stayed. people still there fighting, both ukrainian and international, they're there

because they believe in this cause, and they're going to stay until it's over with. >> war can do that. the peace iece is in "esquire" now. >> thank you, matt. >> thank you for having me. russia's war in ukraine has been a series of instances of disbelief, disrupted by reality. sometimes surprising reality. in the weeks before the war, many doubted putin would invade. even as the u.s. declassified intelligence showing russia's enormous military buildup. when russian tanks did move in, and the missiles started falling, we were there. this is the scene of one of the missile strikes this morning. you can see the emergency responders back here. but as we arrived, another air raid signal went off. soldiers concerned this will be a secondary strike on the same target. many doubted once again that ukrainian forces could successfully defend their country for so long. the same u.s. intelligence

assessments predicted kyiv would fall within days. but it didn't. people doubted the ukrainian people would stand together. we watched them volunteer to fight in droves, and they're still volunteering and still fighting. europe's hospitality for millions of ukrainians, many doubted it would last. those families are still welcome in europe. many also doubted that the u.s. and allies would unite, would stay together. but nato is perhaps stronger than before, and europe is stopping the flow of russian energy it depended on at great economic cost to itself. as joint chiefs chairman general mark milley told me early on, ukraine is a defining battle for the world. >> if there is no answer to this aggression, if russia gets away with this cost free, then so goes the so-called international order. if that happens, we're heading

into an era of seriously incrossed instability. >> well, we are seeing that increased instability now from growing russian threats to other nations in europe, such as moldova, so a worsening standoff with china. but ukraine, defying expectations, has survived the year, and more. joining me now to discuss the war, where it stands, democratic congressman mike quigley from illinois, co-chair of the congressional ukraine caucus and has been to ukraine himself. thank you for taking the time this morning, congressman. >> thank you. good morning. >> so we're a year in today, remarkable to imagine. do you see any way out of this war? there have been hopes that putin might be exhausted by this, see the writing on the wall, but he's doubling down. should we prepare ourself for a much longer war there? >> umm, in a couple of hours, i'm going to go to the st. nicholas school here in chicago

and do a little prayer service for those students. 70 so of those students are ukrainian refugees. it's hard for me to go there and not be committed to giving their home country the weaponry it needs to win. and not be in a long stalemate. i fear we're giving them just enough to be a static war. as you said in this opening, i think putin is not going to get war weary. i'm concerned that the west might. so indeed, what i've been saying since the first day of the war, we need to give them whatever they need to win this war. >> what is that exactly? because we've seen armored personnel carriers go in, that's new. we've seen tanks go in, those considered essential to allow ukrainian forces to gain back territory and punch through russian lines. but jake sullivan speaking last night, said fighter planes are not what ukraine actually needs

right now. do you disagree? >> well, everything we give them, almost everything we're giving them now was viewed at once not necessary or escalatory. so tanks are a good example. that debate over tanks was finally ended, but because of that delay, i don't think the first abrams will get to ukraine before 2024. the same thing will be said in the future for f-16s or the longer range weaponry. we stalled himars, and then they changed the course of the war to a large extent. they pushed the russian forces back 50 miles and their munitions. can we continue to do that? putin won't change his mind on this, but what zelenskyy said when i was in ukraine, what he said when he came to the capital of our country, help us win quickly. it's important that this be

ended as quickly as possible, because putin doesn't care. he seems to send his people as cannon fodder. it's a different story for the west. >> secretary lloyd austin said the war on cnn this morning, that the war will most likely end with negotiations. china says it has a peace plan. do you consider china a credible mediator to this war? >> not a mediator, but they can play an important role, but which china are we talking about? the china that seems to want to normalize relationships with the u.s., where the president is meeting secretary blinken meeting with his counterpart? or the china that sends a spy balloon down the center of the united states, apparently making noises about sending weaponry to the russians. so i think our goal needs to be diplomatically, unify the west to let china know it will be

isolated if it does more. i'm not sure they could be a credible mediator, but they can play a role pressuring putin to move toward a resolution of the conflict. >> the u.s. concern is that china may do just that, become more involved, provide lethal assistance. we're hearing from the treasury secretary, discussion of what penalties might look like economically. what penalties are necessary to deter china from taking this step? >> look, if china wants to normalize relationships, we have to threaten them with the opposite. and it obviously can't be unilateral. it has to be with their important trade partners. all the more reasons that trade matters, because it influences policy of countries like china. it's why we should have done obama's trade deal in the pacific rim. it can't just be the g7, it can't just be nato, the eu. it has to be a worldwide effort

to convince china this is a bad idea, it's against their economic and diplomatic interest. >> we have talked some time about republican colleagues of yours who say it's time to stop or seriously pull back aid to ukraine. not a majority at this point, but a very vocal minority. do you see bipartisan support for ukraine fraying in the coming weeks and months under a republican-led congress? >> look, i'm concerned about a long-term impact, that this war could go fierce. right now, i see a very unified, bipartisan support. you're correct, there is a resolution out there by a republican to end support. but it only has 11 co-sponsors. in the meantime, it's more instructive that we listen to the statement, read the statements of chairman turner, chairman mccaw. they have more influence and more credibility. but given the speaker's need

apparently to give this fringe group a disproportionate influence, that part does concern me, because they could be the tip of the dog's tail wagging the body politic. >> congressman mike quigley, democrat from illinois, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. any time. still to come, a cnn exclusive. why did it take so long to find some of the classified documents at mar-a-lago? the curious chain of events that led to their discovery. plus, alex murdaugh faces a second day of cross-examination by prosecutors in his murder trial. we'll bring you that testimony live. >> i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. america. see cousin jimimmy over there? his girlfriend justst caught the bouquet so... he might need d a little more help saving.

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any moment now, alex murdaugh will return to the stand in south carolina as prosecutors resume their cross-examination of the ex-attorney on trial for the murders of his wife and son. >> quite a day yesterday. dramatic at times. murdaugh insisted he did not kill his wife and son. he did admit, though, that he lied about being at the crime scene before the murders took place. cnn's diane gallagher joins us from outside the courthouse. diane, prosecution still has a chance to cross examine here. what do we expect them to focus on today? >> reporter: jim, we have had a couple of hours of cross-examination that got extremely testy at times between prosecutor waters and alex murdaugh. essentially, when he got up on the stand, he admitted to years,

decades of deceit. he told the jury, yes, i stole millions of dollars from my cl clients. yes, i lied to investigators. i lied to my friends. i lied to my family about where i was the night that my life, maggie, and my son, paul, were killed. but, alex murdaugh says, i did not murder my family. and this time you should believe me. and the question is going to be on whether or not that is a convincing argument to the jury for a defendant to get on the stand, it's risky no matter what, because he opened himself up to questions about the 90 plus charges that are still pending against him, dealing with those financial crimes against him. look, the prosecutor went in on that yesterday. the line of questioning almost exclusively about those charges, as the prosecutor attempts to

put together this picture of alex murdaugh as a man of privilege, a man who has abused the prominence his family has established over a century in this county, saying he's basically a known liar. we do anticipate for the next couple of hours for this to go on, for him to get to the murders and cross examine him on that, as well. >> okay. and you are looking at live images of alex murdaugh sitting down inside the courtroom, about to resume his testimony. do we want to listen in? >> let's listen in. >> in addition to the income and the money you were borrowing was not just to pay for drugs. would you agree with that? >> sure. >> all right. and would you agree that your stealing, in addition to the money you were borrowing, increased over the years as we moved towards june of 2021?

>> repeat that please, sir. >> sure. would you agree that your stealing increased over the years as we move towards june of 2021? >> yes, sir. >> all right. and would you admit that your stealing increased in particular after the boat wreck? >> no, sir. i don't agree with that. >> you don't agree with that? >> i think i continued to do it, but i don't -- as i sit here today, i don't think i took more money than i should not have taken after the boat wreck than i did before the boat wreck. >> okay. but, again -- >> those documents speak for themselves, mr. waters. if that's the case, then that's the case. as we sit here, i think that i probably wrongly took from

clients and people that trusted me more -- as much money before that boat wreck as after. >> all right. i'm just trying to get through this so we don't get bogged down like we did yesterday. >> i understand. >> so you wouldn't agree with me that in 2019 alone, you stole about $3.7 million? >> no, i think that's correct. >> all right. and would you agree with me, though, that figure in 2019 was generally higher than any other year that you had been stealing since 2011. >> in any year, sure, i would agree with that. i thought you were talking about overall, you know, the whole cycle. but yeah, i would agree that in 2019, i stole more money than any other year. >> would you agree with me that from 2015 on, your legitimate

income, while still very strong, was diminishing as a general matter? >> well, i think whatever my income is speaks for itself. but as a general rule, a plaintiff's lawyer, doing what we do, income ebbs and flows. you have some really good years, you have some really lean years. and no, i think i had some -- i think i had some good years. maybe not, you know, $4 and $5 million years, but i think i had some $2 and $3 million years in there, and my caseload was such that, you know, i had -- one of the things i was working on that monday was one of the biggest cases that i've ever been involved in. >> talking about the dominion case? >> yes, sir. and so, you know, i think it was cyclical. so i don't -- without looking at the record specifically, i don't

necessarily agree with that. >> okay. so you don't remember then? >> no, i do remember. i don't think i agree with that. but, again, those records speak for themselves. >> okay. all right. so would you agree with me that in 2014, your reported income was over a million dollars? >> objection, relevance. >> the objection is overruled. >> reported income, like taxes? i assume you have a document that says that. and if you're reading that from a document, i don't dispute it. >> i'm happy to show it to you. >> i trust you, mr. waters. >> i appreciate that. in 2015, would you agree that your reported income was over $2 million? >> again, i don't dispute that. >> all right. 2016, reported income, $900,000? >> okay.

>> 2017, reported income, $218,000. >> okay. >> 2018, reported income of $749,000, roughly. >> okay. >> and 2019, reported income of $655,000. >> okay. see, that -- i mean, to me that demonstrates exactly what i'm talking about, how it goes up and down. >> and would you agree with me during those periods of time where you were making that kind of money, you continued to steal -- i think you have already said that your stealing increased as we moved through those years as a general matter? >> absolutely. i don't dispute, and i have never disputed since i was confronted on labor day weekend -- >> right. >> -- that i took money from my clients. >> we've gone through that. >> well, you keep asking me about it --

>> i'm asking if your income -- >> finish your answer. >> so the point is, i have never, since being confronted that day my brother and my partner came to talk to me, that i have stolen money that did not belong to me, that i misled people to do it. people that i cared about, still care about, umm, a lot of them that i love and still love, and i misled them to do it, and i was wrong. i have never disputed that from day one. >> and i -- we've been through that. all i'm trying to establish right now with you, mr. murdaugh, is, as we move towards june of 22021 what your financil condition was like. i agree you've testified to that

multiple times. let me ask you this, during this time when your income was what we just went through and you conseated that your stealing was increasing, were you also b borrowing significant amounts of money from the bank? >> yes, i have always borrowed significant amounts of money from the bank, in the last decade. yes, sir, i agree with that. >> as we move to june of 2021, did you have a million dollar line of credit with the bank that was pretty much maxed out, yes or no. >> in -- >> as we move to june of 2021. >> oh in june of '21? >> sure. >> yes. >> all right. and did you also have a $600,000 line of credit that was pretty much maxed out around that time in >> i did. >> did you also, over the years, repeatedly borrow six figures from your law partners? >> well, i borrowed money from a

law partner. >> which one? >> johnny parks. >> and that was a fairly common occurrence over the years, it happened multiple times, would you agree with that? >> i agree that it happened multiple times. >> you would agree also that sometimes you would use some of the stolen money to pay that back? >> i won't dispute that. i don't know that's the case. i know what i saw mr. bernie testify to in using that particular accounting method, you know. i see that. so i don't dispute that. >> all right. and would you agree that you also -- when you needed money -- occasionally borrow as much as five and six figures from your father, mr. randolph? >> i did. >> would you also agree over the years, particularly as we move to june of 2021, you would use

stolen money to pay that back? >> i don't dispute that? if that's what the records show. >> all right. and you just mentioned here in the testimony of carson bernie and the banker and all that, you would agree with me that, as we move to june of 2021, at least in liquid funds, you were running out of money? >> in liquid funds as in money on hand or money that i could get? >> money -- liquid funds. you're a lawyer, you know what liquid means. >> i don't know what you mean by liquid, mr. waters. >> assets that you could readily access to pay your ever-increasing debts. >> no, sir, i do not agree with that. i'll tell you why. >> all right. >> in -- in -- so are we talking about june? >> i'm talking about as we move to june. >> okay. but what time period are you talking about? >> january to june. >> january to june. january to june, you know, i can

borrow money from my father, i can borrow money from johnny parker. i could go to the bank and borrow money. i had substantial equity in the house, as we talked about. >> which was in maggie's name, correct? >> it was in maggie and my name. so that definitely was in both of our names. mozel was in maggie's name. with substantial equity in that, that would have been borrowed against. so under the terms, as you defined liquid assets just now as money that i would have access to, i disagree with on that -- for those reasons that i just said. >> can we at least agree that generally the way the compensation structure for legitimate money that you earned in your law firm, the vast

majority of compensation doesn't come except for one luch sum in december? >> we would receive a salary. i believe that salary was $125,000. >> right. >> and then the income that was earned would be paid in the form of a bonus at the year end. >> all right. and then would you agree with me that is why you stole the farris fees in march of 2021, because you were in desperate need of funds and you could not wait until december to access those funds? >> i think there's probably a lot of reasons why i stole those funds, but i certainly would believe -- or don't dispute that's one of the reasons. >> would you agree with me that the $792,000 that you stole of those farris funds, that you exhausted those within about two months? >> i don't know the time period, but i know that they -- i know

that i exhausted them. >> now, again, i'm trying to get through this quickly, because there's a lot more to talk about obviously. but we went through a number of questions yesterday about the various clients that you stole from, correct? do you remember that? the back and forth we had yesterday, do you remember all that? >> sure, i do. >> all right. so i'm going to try to shortchange this, but i think it's important that we at least say the names of the people that were involved. let's just do this -- >> objection to the comment, your honor. inappropriate. >> i'll rephrase, your honor. the clients that we're talking about, these are all real people, yes or no? >> they're all real team.

they're all good people. they're all people that i care about. that i cared about then, and a lot of the people that i love. >> okay. >> and i did wrong by them. >> yes, you hurt the people you love, i know. >> object to the comment. >> sustained. >> these were all people, every single one of them, that you at least had a personal conversation with at some point during the course of your representation? >> absolutely. i had multiple conversations with all of my clients. >> and these were people, every single one of them, real people that you looked in the eye and convinced them that everything was right? >> objection, your honor. repetitive, cumulative. we spent two hours doing this yesterday. >> simple

questions and we will continue. >> proceed. >> i would have had conversations with all of my clients and some of them would have been on the telephone. i would have had conversations where i might not been looking them in the eye and plenty of conversations where i looked them in the eye. >> some of them where you looked a them in the eye? >> sure. >> and they developed trust in you, is that fair? >> every client that i had at some point i looked them in the eye and i believe that i had the trust of my clients, and whether that came from me looking them in the eye or not, i can't answer that. but i will agree with you that every single client that i looked them in the eye, and i believe that the people that i stole money from for all of those years trusted me. th

>> so i will show you what is admitted as state's 314 and 315 and peruse the spread sheets real quickly and i have one or two questions about that. >> i am sorry, what was the question? >> i just asked you to look at th them. >> okay. >> would you agree with me that every name on here are either clients that trusted you that you stole from or instances in which you stole from your law partners that you stole from as well? >> i agree with that. >> so we don't have to go

through each one. >> mr. walters, i have told you that i will go through whatever you want to, but each one of those clients is what we have talked about. good people, fine people. upstanding people. they trusted me. every single one of them i did, and i do still care about. and many of them i love. and consider them close friends. >> like veer radiobore? >> i do. >> and you stole from them? >> yes. and you recall a conversation from barrett crosby and he needed money because he needed to stay in a hotel because his wife was undergoing treatment for terminal cancer around the time that you stole from him? >> objection. >> i am asking him to recall. >> objection overruled. >> i don't recall that

conversation, but i knew that barrett is sick. barrett is a unique situation, because barrett -- barrett is and was dear to me as a friend. barrett and i had a long, long history. and you know, and i guess, and i lied probably more by omission lies by omission and stealing that money, but that is a perfect example, because you are asking me about the conversation and looking people in the eye. and that is a perfect example, when i stole that money, he was nowhere around. it was more based on the lies by omission. and barrett and i had such a history with these real estate deals that you are asking me about. and barrett was one of my good friends and we had been in the real estate deals, and barrett

was just an interesting person. he was a shrimper and he was born and raised in allendale county and he moved down to the coa coast. >> we don't need barrett's entire story, and i don't think it is responsive. >> but we don't need the background, your honor. >> well, go ahead. >> well, barrett and he could go out to find pieces of property and get them cheap and sell them and make some money. and well, we got into some of these deals, and we got in and barrett and some other people, and when the recession hit, one of the reasons these land deals cause med trouble is because the people that i was in the deals

with no longer could pay whereas i might have gone in and it was a 20% person, and i'm now all of the sudden either i have to default at the bank and affect the credit and ability to pay or i have to pay 100% and that what i did. i paid 100%. and so there were year when i was paying hundreds of millions of dollars and that is how i ended up with the moselle property, because i had paid more than $1 million and in monies for barrett and that is part of the deal and the trade of me purchasing moselle. >> so what you are telling me is

that you felt like you were entitled to steal from him. >> no, i will tell you this that -- you know, when you are doing the things wrong that i was doing, you have all kinds of ways to justifying it. i am not saying that makes it right by any means, because it is wrong, and it is wrong and i have said it 100 times, but when i was doing it and as i wassed a dingted as i w ed -- and i was s i was, and to be able to look yourself in the mirror, you lie to yourself. and i guess self-justification is what it was. but i guess when i took his money, it is when i was taking his money, it was a lie by

omission. >> okay. so all of these people, on these two exhibits, these were real people who needed this money, is that correct? >> i am sure they did. >> but it is more important to you that you stole their money on top of the 40% of legal fees that wu were taking. >> objection asked and answered and repetitive. >> i stole their money. >> it is more important to you than their needs, is that correct? >> objection. >> objection overruled. >> i don't remember sitting down and calculating, okay, is this more important. you know, one of the self-justifications that i talked about, mr. water, and this is one of the things, again, i want to make it clear. i don't, as i sit here today, i do not believe that any of the justifications that i am talking about made any of it okay, because i don't. i have owned up to all of the money that i have stole, and i

have tried to since i have been confronted and i continue here today, but one of the justifications that at the time when i was taking pills and doing the things that i was doing was i may ask how much is this case worth and not give them all of the facts and this case is worth $100,000, and i go out to get them $300,000, and that is one of the stupid little things, okay, well, this isn't the same. that is one of the justifications that i used in looking back on this that i don't know how i did. but, so to sit down and say did i evaluate that they needed the money more than i did -- you know -- i don't think that i did that. i think that i was selfish, and

i think i just took the money. >> i think that i understand. >> i asked you a series of ques questions yesterday about a client and asked you about looking at tony satterfield and looking him in the eye. >> i remember looking at tony satterfield and lying to him and looking at him in the eye. >> and lying to him? >> yeah. >> and lying to his family? >> i lied to his family. i don't know if i did it in person. but i know that i had phone conversations with them where i lied to them.